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PM Mollinary
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Mollinary
8th Feb 2015 07:02:39

Anyone any idea of a Baccus substitute for this unit of 1806 Prussian Lancers?  Also, I think, sometimes referred to as, or successors of, the Bosniaks. And while I am asking, is there an expert out there who would know whether the Guard Grenadier Battalion No 6 was still wearing the SYW uniform style in 1806, or the new weird grenadier cap with the mangy edges? Thanks in advance.

Mollinary

 


PM Anton
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Anton
9th Feb 2015 10:23:54

I think you can use NPR09 (Prussian Reserve Cavalry) for "Tovarycs" regiment and add a decorative white circle in the center of shako. These Baccus miniatures dont have beautiful rooster feathers, but wearing them during the campaign is very questionable.  

Tovarycs Lancers - http://www.fotodom.ru/image/JC01-8487.html


PM Glenn Pearce
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Glenn Pearce
9th Feb 2015 10:15:37

It's been a long time since I've seen pictures of some of the unique Prussian lancers so I can't really say which figures you should use and I can't see Antons attachment.  I did notice recently a picture of the Towarozy Lancer Regt. from 1807. Are they the same regiment or did they wear a similar uniform? If so you might want to look at NPR8 Prussian line lancers. They are wearing a short jacket with a shako, cords and a spot for your white circle. They don't have a side plume that was worn by the Towarozy's, but that appears to be the only thing actually missing (and the cords are in a slightly different position).


PM Anton
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Anton
10th Feb 2015 11:25:50

Glenn, I believe NPR8 miniatures are for the later period. NPR09 is more suitable for painting white circle emblem in the center of the old version shako (and if possible depict cords on the top side)


PM Glenn Pearce
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Glenn Pearce
10th Feb 2015 02:39:32

Hello Anton!

Great picture, thanks for putting it up.

I've just finished painting lots of NPR8 and NPR9, both appear to be for 1815. NPR9 is wearing the long coat which is not being worn in the picture, although they may have worn it on campaign. I don't know, but I do recall seeing 1806 lancers in long coats. I just don't remember if they were Prussian or Russian.

So if Mollinary wants to have the short jackets like in the picture above then NPR8 might be a better choice. They also have cords on the shako. If he wanted to make them look even better he could cut off the small puff on the top of the shako and add the plume. Adding the plume would be easy as it would fit right up against the lance. That works for either figure.

Best regards,

Glenn

 

 

 

 


PM Mollinary
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Mollinary
10th Feb 2015 06:18:16

 

 

 

 

Thanks guys, a lot of food for thought. Of course, the heretic in me thinks - Well it is only one regiment, and Adler do make the figures, and no-one would really notice, would they? 😉 

Hmmm.  Don't know. Anyone any thoughts on the grenadiers?

Mollinary (getting really p....d off by the return key always moving me to the top rather than the next line!).

 

 

 

 


PM Glenn Pearce
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Glenn Pearce
10th Feb 2015 06:59:39

Well Adler infantry can blend in to some extent, but their cavalry are much bigger then Baccus probably close to 10mm. For one unit I would use NPR8 as is, your paint brush will give you a unit that is pretty close. No one else other then you will ever know it's not 100% accurate. Painting the red facing, trim and stripes will go a long way to creating the proper illusion in 6mm.

According to Knotel all the Grenadiers worn the open ended bicorne in 1790 and the false front cap in 1806 which is code NPR23 for Baccus.

So those two Baccus figures should cover your 1806 plans reasonably well.


PM Mollinary
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Mollinary
10th Feb 2015 09:11:42

 

Thanks Glenn, for taking the time to answer my stupid questions!  I should have remembered that buried in my library was Hourtoulle's book on Jena-Auerstadt. That confirms your info regarding Grenadier Guard Battalion No6, so that is one less problem! Now to consider what to do about those odd lancers!

Mollinary

 


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