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PM Whirlwind
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Whirlwind
11th May 2025 05:20:18

In the WSS 1e rules, in the army lists, what and where was Oberrheim (in the Allied Army list for Speyerbach)? I don't recognize the name.


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hwiccee
12th May 2025 03:41:58

I don't have the rules but I would guess it is a typo for Oberrhein = Upper Rhine. A lot of the 'German' units at this battle were Reich Army units from the Upper Rhine region and so I guess it means that these are those units.


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Whirlwind
12th May 2025 05:25:45

Ah, that makes sense, thanks Nick!


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Whirlwind
13th May 2025 01:25:58

So I guess the contingents within the Upper Rhine that would get above any bar for militarily relevant might be:

Hesse-Darmstadt

Hesse-Kassel

Nassau

Salm

Isenburg

I am guessing that Lorraine and Savoy wouldn't be relevant to the Reichsarmee per se at this point?


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dourpuritan
13th May 2025 02:08:15

Slam? That's a new one on me.


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Whirlwind
13th May 2025 05:17:03

Was looking through here for candidates, saw this group, Salm, have corrected spelling error above.


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hwiccee
14th May 2025 04:23:38

The question of what the Upper Rhine units were at this time is a little complicated. Technically it refers only to the contingents sent to the Reicharmee but it can sometimes be extended to all units from states in the area. Hesse Kessel had had an argument within the Recharmee and didn't send any units to the Reicharmee because of this at this time. But even if it had sent any it would only have sent a small number of the many units in the army. Hesse Darmstadt did send a contingent, a dragoon and an infantry regiment, and also had other units. All of both Hesse units could be described as 'Upper Rhine' units while technically only the 2 Darmstadt actually were.

None of the other states were capable of fielding full units but were made up of a lot of small contingents. They initially fielded 2 infantry regiments called the Nassau - Weilburg and Buttlar regiments. The name were of the commanders and NOT where the troops came from. The largest contingents in these were from Frankfort which provided up to about 1/3rd of one unit. Nassau-Weilburg provided about 1/5th of a regiment. The size varied over time. There was also a Nassau-Weilburg cavalry regiment which was a Palatine squadron and lots of small contingents.

Technically the official contingent consisted of the 3 infantry regiments (1 Hesse Darmstadt & 2 smaller states) probably of 2 battalions and 2 dragoon regiments (1 Hesse Darmstadt & 1 smaller states) of 2 squadrons. There were other units, of unknown origin, which were sometimes mentioned and also others from contributing states from the area might also be included. In a document of 1703 the circle has listed 6 infantry regiments with a total of 11 battalions & the identity of the 'others' is unknown.

Salm combined with 4 other states provided 2 infantry companies to the Buttlar unit, sorry no Slamers :)


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15th May 2025 08:28:41

That's great Nick, thanks very much, interesting and helpful.


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loterver
29th May 2025 11:59:11

The composition of the Upper Rhine Circle's military contingents during this period is complex. While the term "Upper Rhine units" technically refers to troops officially sent to the Reichsarmee, it is often used more broadly to describe all units raised by states within the circle. For example, Hesse-Kassel, due to internal disputes, did not contribute any troops to the Reichsarmee at this time, though it had a sizeable army. Hesse-Darmstadt, on the other hand, did provide an official contingent—one infantry and one dragoon regiment—but also maintained additional units not part of the Reichsarmee.

Other small states in the circle, including Frankfurt and Nassau-Weilburg, lacked the capacity to field full regiments individually and instead contributed small detachments. These were combined into two infantry regiments known by the names of their commanders—the Nassau-Weilburg and Buttlar regiments—though these names did not indicate the soldiers’ origins. Frankfurt, for example, supplied about one-third of one regiment, while Nassau-Weilburg contributed roughly one-fifth. Nassau-Weilburg also provided a cavalry unit, which included a Palatine squadron, along with several minor detachments from other territories.

Officially, the Upper Rhine Circle's documented contribution amounted to three infantry regiments (two battalions each) and two dragoon regiments (two squadrons each), one of each type from Hesse-Darmstadt and the rest from smaller states. However, records from 1703 mention a total of six infantry regiments comprising eleven battalions, with several units of unknown origin, suggesting that additional troops were either unofficial, irregular, or drawn from broader regional resources. Interestingly, the small state of Salm joined four others in contributing just two companies to the Buttlar regiment—clarifying, with a bit of humor, that there were no "Slamers" involved.

 

 

 

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